by Kevin Alfred Strom
THIS WEEK we continue our interview with the United Kingdom’s Mr. Jez Turner (pictured), the founder of the London Forum and a man not only of words but of action. We left off last week as we were discussing the subject of telling the truth about Jewish power. Listen:
Kevin Alfred Strom: To what extent has “anti-Semitism” been criminalized in the UK?
Jez Turner: It’s not a crime. It’s only a “crime” if linked with something else. For example, if you punch someone in the face — that’s a crime of violence. It can be “aggravated” by anti-Semitism. If you are charged with “incitement to violence,” incitement to do this or do that, and you are linking that with anti-Semitism, that is considered a crime. But if you speak about the truth — if you just say, “Look, Rothschild is a Jewish firm,” there’s nothing much that they can do about it. It’s a grey area, like everything else. And various Jewish groups are pushing for this to be “tightened up” — more laws, more laws, you know — but it’s not actually a crime to speak the truth yet. Yet!
KAS: Well, if we can grow fast enough, and spread the truth among our people more and more and more, I think they will find it harder and harder to criminalize speaking the truth.
JT: The race is on. This is what they know: They got to shut us down. We’re spreading the truth; they’re shutting us down. They know it’s a race against time. Who will win? We need more brave men, I think.
KAS: Well thank you for doing what you’re doing. I think it’s extremely important. We have carried some of your London Forum videos on nationalvanguard.org and they are of extremely high quality. I want to thank you for your work and your courage — and especially your radicalism. I think that is precisely what we need. We need the unvarnished truth.
JT: The British people, as a whole, cannot take the whole truth. Most of them can’t. This is why we have Nigel Farage. I don’t mind people telling half-truths, or using a “ramp” or “stepping stone” strategy — but there must be someone who tells the truth. You see what I’m saying?
JT: That’s my stance at least.
KAS: There needs to be leadership.
JT: Leadership, yes — and if you don’t go out there and organize things, how do you get leadership skills? How do you find potential leaders? If you don’t give delegate tasks to people, how do you know what they can do? We can’t live on the Internet forevermore, you know. We’ve got to make the transition. The Internet’s useful — but we’ve got to get out there and understand human nature and get real experience in the real world.
KAS: Jez, what in your view would be the ideal society that you are working for, for your people and for Europeans around the world generally?
JT: William Pierce was asked this question a long time ago, and he said “Sparta, Sparta!” I’m not really too bothered by which type of system we have, as long as we are left to be ourselves, as long as we are left to achieve our full potential, as long as we have our own countries and are able to control our own countries.
If you look at the French Revolution, it had its three-word motto — three-word mottos are still quite popular — which was “Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity.” The Emperor Hadrian had the motto, “Humanity, Liberty, and Happiness,” Humanitas, libertas, felicitas. The Spartan ideal was “Strength, Justice, and the Muses.” — the muses meaning culture, the arts. And that’s a pretty good motto — “Strength, Justice, the Muses.” It’s quite good. So I would say, look at Sparta and Athens: Without Sparta, you would have had no Athens. I would say — because you need warriors. And we need warriors.
So I’m not too bothered, whether it’s a Renaissance type of civilization or a high Middle Ages type,Â or a Victorian type — as long as we are allowed to be ourselves. Let’s find out who we are! I think prescriptions, or trying to decide in advance is okay — but we won’t know until we’ve got there, until we’ve freed ourselves from alien influence. Then we’ll find the new golden age.
KAS: So the key then is a society by and for and of White people?
JT: Has to be, has to be — has to be.
KAS: And everything else is debatable?
JT: Exactly. Everything else is on the table. This is what the London Forum’s strength is. We don’t mind — anything and everything is arguable: free speech! But if we become extinct, it’s all over, isn’t it? That has to be the foundation. If you asked anybody, over a hundred years ago, what you just asked me — they’d all agree. They’d all say, “of course, of course.” No one was in favor of a multiracial mess. Nobody, apart from a few radical Jews. Liberalism is a blip. It’s a temporary blip in history — a very damaging one, but it’s going to disappear now. And we’re going to go back to reality — back to common sense.
KAS: What is the next step for your group, the London Forum — and for Jez Turner?
JT: Let Providence decide! [laughter]
KAS: [laughter] Okay.
JT: I suppose — a forum in every town in Britain, and Europe, and the White world.
We must politicize our people. In the grand sense of things, the metapolitical sense — not the petty party political, factional sense. We must politicize our people. We must give them back pride in themselves as White people. We must give them back their pride; We must give them back their confidence. We must rekindle their sense of mission, their sense of destiny, and their sense of greatness.
KAS: What would you say to a White person who doesn’t understand that — who would say, “Well why should we survive; what’s so special about us?” — what would your answer be to that?
JT: Well every people wants to survive. If they don’t, they’re mentally ill. Every tribe on Earth wants to survive and reach its potential. And the only way you don’t think that way is because you have been brainwashed, or perhaps bullied, or bribed, or blackmailed into thinking otherwise. Perhaps you’re mentally ill, perhaps you’ve taken too many drugs when you were younger, I don’t know. It’s basically this: Mad dogs are shot. Any other tribe would kill you if you belonged to their tribe. They would just get rid of you. They’d say, “This guy is a lunatic.”
KAS: Seriously though, what is so special about White people in your view? How would you explain that to an outsider?
JT: If I was explaining it as a White person, it doesn’t need explaining. I mean, we’ve gone to the Moon — and no one else did. We invented everything. We have explored the world, the depths of the oceans, the deeps of space. We have created beautiful art– that many races admire. We don’t need to say we’re superior; we can just say, “Look, let us live — because it’s best that there is a variety of people on this Earth. Diversity, in its true sense, is a good thing. Europe was great because it was diverse — many different cultures and nations — all White, but different.
KAS: I’ve had the same feeling in my soul since I was a child — that there is something special about us and about the civilization we made. Even before I intellectually understood it, I understood it as a feeling, as a deep emotion in my soul — maybe an instinct to cleave to my people. I remember being six years old and being very impressed by classical art and by the fact that I was somehow a part of the civilization that created this. And this was before I could have explained any of it — I felt it.
I think you do well to inspire people to find that feeling within themselves.
JT: I think this is very important as well. As I’ve said to various men, “Look, you’ve got this girlfriend here who doesn’t understand your ideology. Don’t go and tell her everything on the first date — what you believe in. Instead, take her to a classical music concert. Take her to an art gallery. Take her to a stately home — a national trust home, that type of a thing, or a castle. Take her to a market town, a cathedral town.”
Why are Whites special? Well, our art is special — but there’s more than that. Look all across the world: It is only the White people who care about the endangered species. Only the White people who care about environmentalism, global warming, Nature: We are the world’s altruists. We care — and we care about everything.
JT: This is our problem, too. We don’t care about ourselves enough. We’re too busy caring about everything else. We care about tribes in the Amazon jungle that are lost. This is something that no other people do; others think we’re stupid, but I think we can use this to appeal to other people, and other races, who are thinkers and say to them, “Look, if the White race goes, everything else is going to go: Boom — it’s game over for the whole world.” I think we are the world’s custodians in a very real sense.
KAS: Yes, and I think our inventiveness is the world’s hope for saving, not just human civilization, not just the human race, but all life in the universe in the distant future: Because what other hope is there — for surviving cosmic catastrophes, for example — besides our creativity?
I was reading the book Human Accomplishment by Charles Murray. Now, Charles Murray is a man who pulls a lot of his punches when it comes to race. But nevertheless he’s collated a great amount of data that is so powerful and so persuasive that I think everyone should read his book. You look at the artistic and the scientific accomplishments of human beings through time — which is essentially what the book is about — and you see that 97% of the scientific accomplishments, for example, come from Europe or European people in North America. Thats got to prove, even to the most brainwashed skeptic, that there is something special about our race.
JT: Yes. I don’t like Chinese art, for example, with the cherry trees or other things, though I can understand people who perhaps do; but science —there is no doubting about that. You can’t go wrong with that, especially science that brings benefits to us. Look at The Bell Curve and other writings — look at all the advances we’ve made, in agriculture and everything. It all comes down to the White race.
Our enemies argue that we’ve created global warming. And we’ve given our science to these other races which means they can stop dying so much, and breed more. Thus we’ve created problems with overpopulation. Well, yes, we may have created these problems. while we were being guided by liberalism. Science, guided by liberals, is a disaster. But science is a weapon, a tool. It depends which ideology is guiding it. If we can get rid of liberalism, we can use science to make the world a better place.
KAS: Yes, I think once we have a racial state that is secure — of course, if we had a racial state, at first it wouldn’t be secure because the Jewish power structure and the governments that are beholden to that power structure would be against us — but once we had a secure racial state, so many possibilities in science, in culture, in things we can’t even imagine right now, would open up for us. It would be not only an historic moment in human civilization, but perhaps one of the largest turning points in the history of life in the Universe.
JT: Yes. I think what we’re going through now is a test. It’s a cosmic test. I think we have to rise to the occasion and create this ethnostate that you’re talking about. And it will come under attack. Just like ancient Greece came under attack by the Persian Empire. Life is a struggle — a constant struggle. A constant series of tests. And we have had too much peace and prosperity for too long. We’ve become weak. We’ve become soft. The only way to go forward is to go forward. You can’t sit back and relax. Because life is like a treadmill, going backwards — you’ve got to go forward.
And I think the White race is always best when it’s got a struggle on its hands. When its back is to the wall. When it’s fighting against innumerable odds. Then we rise to the challenge. Heraclitus said, “War is the father of all.” Well, in a sense, struggle is the father of all. Struggle creates more inventions than anything else. This is why war was so important for scientific leaps forward. And I think we have to tell our people: “That television you’re watching — get it and throw it out the window. You’ve got to wake up. Wake up! Realize that your very existence — and everything you hold dear — is on the line.”
We’ve got to give them a liking for their culture — though many people now don’t have a culture. The liberals mock working class White people. They say, “What’s the lottery? Oh, it’s culture for working class people.” They mock us. They destroyed our culture. Then they mock us for having no culture. We have to give people a pride in their culture, their history, their heritage, their countryside, their nature — and then we have to say to them: “This, that is so valuable, is under attack. The only way you’re going to have a life worth living is to find your personal mission — and the only personal mission worth having is to live in accord with this: in fighting for your people, and for your culture, for your traditions, and for your race.”
That’s the only thing that makes any sense. Otherwise, you may have a life that is full of hedonism and pleasure and leisure and parties abroad — and it goes nowhere, and you get depressed. All these millionaires — they win the lottery, and they’re depressed. They’ve got all this money, but there’s nothing left to do in life. No struggle anymore. We need struggle.
KAS: I think our people are generally depressed.
JT: They are. Especially in the urban areas. There’s a general feeling of malaise. You see them all, miserable, on the tubes and the buses. And they sense something is wrong. And then they go on these holidays — perhaps they’re university students; they go away on a gap year and go to work in Africa or Asia or somewhere. And they see a society — a pure ethnic society — where there are large families and a sense of community. And they say, “This is wonderful, wonderful.” And they want to go and live there. But that’s wrong.
They are seeing a society that has not been corrupted. That’s what they enjoy. And they should come back to this country and sort out this country — not go and live in Thailand or whatever. ur country and our people have amazing potential. But we are killing ourselves — through abortion, through feminism, by not getting married and having children, by having one-child families, by putting that child in front of a television 24/7. We are in a bad way.
KAS: Yes — and for what? What is the purpose of all of this money-making? What is the purpose of this holiday-making? These people do not have anything that they really believe in. I think they themselves sense that. And that is why they must escape constantly, through entertainment, drugs, alcohol…
JT: Their highest god is money. And if their highest ideal is money, then whoever controls the money supply controls them. All they do is work for money to spend on leisure and pleasure — and they have nothing to live for. They are the perfect slaves. They don’t even realize they’re slaves. And they’re the slaves of those who control the money — and we know who I mean by that.
KAS: Indeed we do. And I think the more intelligent among them also have a dim awareness that they have to keep their heads down, that they have to speak “carefully,” that they have to bow to certain other groups in society. So I think that the more intelligent are, if anything, more depressed by this. They have a glimmer of an understanding of their own slavery.
JT: Yes. This is very important. We have to make sure that those who are depressed find a way of relieving their depression. And one very good way is to bring them into contact with other people who think like they do. Give them courage — boost their morale; that’s partly why the London Forum is there. Depression is a sin. Depression gets you nowhere — unless it drives you and motivates you into doing something. Pain is a great motivator.
A lot of people out there, who don’t call themselves nationalists or racialists, nevertheless know something’s wrong. They know they can’t criticize certain people. And they know these people have all the power. We have to encourage them to make the next step: to become political or at least metapolitical.
KAS: I can tell, just by talking to you, Jez, that you have the capacity and capability to inspire people. You know what, deep down in their souls, they are missing. And I think that we have something that is so valuable — that is so important. And you are capable of expressing that — so, by God, I hope that they don’t tie you up in legal knots so that you have to slow down or stop your work. I think it’s very important work.
JT: Well — amen to that. [laughter]
KAS: Are they going to force you to hire lawyers to defend against this “judicial review”? What’s going on with that?
JT: It’s just at the first stage. I was only notified a few weeks ago as an “interested party.” [laughter] So it’s not at the stage of me hiring lawyers. But, if it comes to that stage, I can get legal aid. So it’s not the end of the world. And I do have a very good man — who I will publicize here — Ian Millard. He has a Web site. He was a barrister. He’s actually a member of the New York Bar as well as London. But he was disbarred a couple of months ago through the acts of a Jewish organization for having political views they did not agree with. But he still has all his knowledge and experience. You can check his Web site online. And he gave a speech at the London Forum recently — you can have a look at it: “Free Expression Under Attack by the Zionist Lobby in Britain.” And he specialized in — guess what? — judicial reviews. So he knows his stuff. [laughter]
This is why networking’s so good, so important. [laughter]
KAS: That’s my problem. I’m a little bit too much of a loner, so I don’t network as much as I should. But I will tell you this, Jez: Talking to you has been inspiring. You are a man who can give people hope. And I think you have touched a current of both practical politics and community-building — and you’ve touched a current of the spirit. I think that’s a magical combination, and I thank you for doing what you’re doing.
JT: And I thank you for doing what you’re doing as well. I’ve long read your articles and listened to your radio broadcasts, so thank you as well.
KAS: Is there anything else you’d like to add before we’re cut off — anything that was left unsaid?
JT: There’s a political prisoner I want to tell your listeners about. He’d love some letters from America. He gave a speech outside the American embassy, and that speech led him to be charged in court — he’s on remand now, waiting for sentencing; he was found “guilty.” His name is Laurence Burns. If you write to him, please leave out any political strong stuff — any “strong meat.” You may reach him at:
Please write him and tell him you’re sorry to hear that his speech outside the American embassy has landed him in prison. He’d be very happy to hear from you, or anybody from America — or anywhere around the world.
KAS: Can you tell me what led up to his speech, and what was considered actionable in his speech?
JT: He was giving a speech in support of David Lane and in support of other American political prisoners [like Matt Hale, as mentioned last week — Ed.].
KAS: When did this take place?
JT: Last summer; I think it was July. And he’s also been sent to court about some Facebook postings — he didn’t set his Facebook page as private. It was public rather than private. But it’s his speech that was the main thing. He basically accused Jews of encouraging multiculturalism. [laughter]
KAS: [laughter] And that’s a crime?
JT: Well — it is in England. If he’d given the speech in the American embassy, it would be okay. But he was outside the American embassy in Grosvenor Square. [laughter]
KAS: So twenty feet of space makes all the difference in the world.
JT: So it does, yes. You have a lot of freedom in America. You play a very important part. Because it’s even worse in Europe. There’s very little we can say. And there’s the “Holocaust.” Questioning the standard narrative of history is a crime in various European countries. It’s not a crime in Britain. But we have other “crimes” that shock Americans. I mean, Joshua Bonehill is in prison for doing cartoons. Five years! — it’s been extended a few more years now, because they found some more of his old stuff online; and he was in prison by this time, so he hadn’t been posting it. You do a very important job over in America.
And do not be afraid of being a loner, or of solitude. Anthony Storr wrote a book called Solitude. It says, basically, that to cultivate genius you have to be alone sometimes. We need everybody: loners, team players — whatever someone’s skill is, he has a part to play.
KAS: Yes. We’re building a community — and we need all types. We’re building a nation. We’re building nations, really. It’s an amazing, unbelievable task, but a joyful task, that we have set for ourselves.
JT: Kevin, there’s a magazine coming out, called The Next Step. It’s being published in colaboration with Sans Concession. It’s to raise funds for Vincent Reynouard, who is an historian who is on the run from France. He was found “guilty” in France — they want to put him in prison for questioning certain historical incidents. He is on the run, without an income. This magazine is going to help and support him.
His Web site — where the magazine will soon be announced — can be visited by going to http://nationalvanguard.org/vincent â€” which will forward you toÂ http://sansconcessiontv.org/catalogue/ â€” Mr. Reynouardâ€™s Web site.
KAS: Very good. I will publicize it, both on American Dissident Voices, and on nationalvanguard.org as a standalone article.
JT: Splendid — thank you very much!
KAS: Thank you very much for being a guest today on American Dissident Voices — and I hope you will come back.
JT: I will. Hail thee and farewell — ave atque vale.
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