Idiocracy Meets Animal Farm: An Interview with Jeronimus, part 1

American Dissident Voices broadcast of February 3, 2018

by Kevin Alfred Strom

TODAY WE ARE going to be speaking to a very original writer and thinker who goes by the nom de guerre Jeronimus. He has a creative vision of White people reclaiming their destiny through what he calls “Idiocracy Meets Animal Farm: A Political Theory of the 21st Century.” It’s an ambitious vision that involves more than just surviving — it involves retaking the levers of power of our society by Whites.

Now, first — Jeronimus, welcome to the show.

J: Thank you for having me on, Kevin.

KAS: Can you tell us a little bit about your background; why do you care about White people? — and why should we listen to what you have to say?

J: I have distilled down certain ideas in the past 18 years. I asked these questions: We Whites seem not to have cultural and political power like we should — power that suits us. There’s a kind of a tension there — like a gradient. Like sometimes when you have one area where it’s dry and one area where it’s wet, and that creates a gradient. And the water really wants to go from the wetter area to the drier area. Similarly, we feel a power gradient. We feel the pain of having our politics and our culture hijacked and used against us — in very petty, mean ways — ways that are obvious and enraging at the same time. So my questions, which I kind of asked to the Universe, are, “How do we get our power back? What do we do? What’s going on?”

I knew the answers as early as the 1990s. In 1995 — and here’s where I’ll tell you an important moment of my life story — I was living in the Boston area in a boarding house with, among other people, a couple of Chinese physicists; one of them an Artificial Intelligence guy at MIT and the other a physicist at Harvard, and he’s a post-PhD. So these guys are way up in the stratosphere. They would laugh at me and at another American guy who lived there.

They would ask, “Why are Americans so dumb?”

Well, I knew a second language, so I was good at that — but I wasn’t good at math. But I should have been. I should have pushed myself way back then; I regret that. The other American got mad when they said that. But I said, “You’re totally right. I should be in the physics department somewhere, or engineering.” I totally could have done it and I should have done it. I failed myself. And a lot of us did.

I’m a veteran. So I was able to go to the state university with tuition waived. And that was a real eye-opener for me. What I saw there was that White American kids are unprepared for the pace at which they teach math and physics. So they end up getting flunked out, and they end up in English and psychology. So they don’t get a good job. But the people who end up graduating with a degree in physics or engineering or chemical engineering — they get scouted. They don’t just get a job, they get scouted. And the rest of kids aren’t even really aware of that.

I later discovered that the best way to learn math is self-teaching. Art Robinson, who’s on YouTube, home schooled his kids — and he made them teach themselves. And they learned all of Newtonian physics and calculus by age 16. And Art Robinson says that 100 years ago, the smart kids all just did that. Henry Ford, for example, knew Newtonian physics and all the topics in calculus by the time he was 16 or 17 years old. And that was just a high school education back then. What is now a BS in physics was just a high school education for the smarter kids around 1900.

KAS: So American kids are getting trash degrees, while Asian kids are getting the really valuable, useful degrees.

J: Yes. And the Asian kids come from conservative, traditional cultures — the kind of cultures that you and I would advocate for. And we can’t have that — we’ve been deprived of that. American kids have been purposely dumbed down with this scheisse culture. And it’s on purpose.

You really see it — you really feel the pain of it — when you see the Asian kids from the conservative, traditional societies who got a proper education. You know, they weren’t educating for “equality” over there. They sifted out the smart kids and the dumb kids. And they told the smart kids, “You’d better learn math or you’re going to be a disgrace to your family.” And these kids end up doing quite well, while American kids lose out. They end up getting in debt for a trash degree, as you said, instead of a STEM degree.

If they had been better prepared — if they had shown up on their first freshman day of college already knowing calculus and physics, they would have been fine. They would blast right through those subjects, with As. We can do it. It’s doable. Home schoolers do it all the time. The Robinson Home Schooling people are going to be ruling this country in 20 years, I swear to God.

KAS: What is the Robinson Home Schooling system?

J: Art Robinson is a professor of physics in Idaho. He had six kids on a farm in Idaho, and he home schooled them. His wife died, so he said, “I can’t really help you too much, so you’ve got to teach yourself.” And they did. It worked really great. So his system is mostly self-teaching — very little tutoring, very little help from teachers. You just teach yourself. And when they do that, they end up spending a lot more time on it, because they’re not depending on someone else — they’re not following the lead of some teacher; they’re self-teaching and self-directing. And they end up putting in way more hours: They do two hours of math a day, five or six days a week, from eight years old to eighteen. So that’s, what, 12 or say ten hours a week, 500 hours a year — so in ten years that’s 5,000 hours.

KAS: So White people should train their kids to get the basis for a STEM degree way before their college years. And they should home school their kids. And the kids should get STEM degrees. How do you put this all together as part of a strategy to help White people?

J: Okay, good. Now I’m back on track. My ideal would be this: Get an apartment building in the city. I know some people say something like, “I want to home school on a farm in New Hampshire.” I say, no way. Let’s do it like the Hasids do — in a city; you have all the services of a city; you have all the sources of income. But you do have to own a building, because rents are high.

So you have to gain a foothold in a city by owning a building. My big idea is that the building will be a place where White families are subsidized so that both parents can stay home with the kids — both parents, not just the Mom. Both parents should focus on home schooling the kids.

KAS: Wow. You’re going to need a financial angel to make this happen.

J: Right. They’re out there. If the right person hears this idea, then it’ll happen. And I sure as Hell am going to try to be that financial angel myself, though it’s a tall order to be sure.

KAS: So, you buy an apartment building — and it’s basically invitation only. And if you qualify, if you meet the standards and are willing to obey, I assume, a set of rules — then you get free housing in a place like Boston or San Francisco or similar metropolitan area. Why the big city?

J: Because then you can take the kids to the best martial arts classes, the best foreign language classes; you could even have “language nannies” over — get this; you could hire elderly Chinese women and Russian women who don’t speak a word of English and have them over to talk to the kids in their own language, and install five or six languages at once, at a native speaking level. That would be just one example. There would be really good Kung Fu classes, gymnastics, any kind of tutoring you might want. There are all kinds of opportunities in the cities that you don’t have out in the countryside. You get the best of every kind of educational opportunity.

And I realize that we’re really missing out on that. I lived in Moscow, Russia for six months. I saw the ten-year-olds there who were trained to play the violin and cello and other instruments were good enough to get into an American urban orchestra. They’re that good. They sound like pros when they’re like ten or eleven years old. Their gymnasts are the best gymnasts; their physicists are the best physicists; their chess players are the best in the world — the Russians really “have it.” When I was there, it really opened my eyes — this is what American kids are missing.

I actually took violin lessons from a lady who graduated from the Moscow Conservatory and who taught kids, too. And five of her students went on to the Moscow Conservatory, which is amazing because that’s really hard to get into. They didn’t just have connections; they had to pass an audition. It’s the hardest audition in the world.

KAS: Many White nationalists are doing the opposite in that they’re saying, “We need to start an intentional White community,” but they’re doing it in Leith, North Dakota.

J:  You want to be a sort of “other” community — but in among other people, so that you don’t appear “weird,” if you know what I mean. Like the Hasids, but you don’t wear the funny clothes and stuff. You form an intentional community in the city, and you have a benign attitude towards the other people, but you’re not of them. You don’t have a bad attitude toward outsiders.

When our kids grow up and they are superior in so many ways, that will make them separate automatically — they’ll sift themselves out. If they get to a certain age without being messed up, and after being raised to be very powerful, they’ll be very unlikely to fall down, very unlikely to go backwards.

KAS: How do you prevent the children from being negatively influenced by all the garbage culture and the other negative influences in the city? Not only are they centers of learning, but they’re centers of degeneracy also.

J: Remember, both parents are staying home with them all day. So you’re keeping them busy with healthy stuff. And if you have an apartment building with a group of ten or eleven families — there’s your tribe. When you have a tribe — when you have a whole bunch of your kind of people, you have the confidence of being in a tribe. There’s something about being in a group of 20 or 30 people — I think 150 is the maximum for a tribe. Here’s something I’ve noticed. The Puerto Ricans don’t separate their families to pursue a career. They all hang out in the same area. So you know all your cousins and the like. That gives them a huge social advantage. They’re able to move among us and be their own separate tribe, and use that “tribalness” to their advantage.

KAS: So I assume that this group of people who are invited to this building, to this first colony you create, are going to have to sign on to an ideology also, like a White nationalist ideology — and so teach their kids, and agree to have their kids educated in that way.

J: Yes. But it’s based on eugenics. You put it to them in this way: “Wouldn’t you rather be pretty than ugly?” You know what I mean? You don’t have to be really strict or act like, “Oh my God, I’m really afraid you’re going to betray us.” You can’t act like you’re afraid of betrayal. It would be kind of like, “if you want to go be ugly, you can go be ugly. If you want to go hang with ugly people, you can go hang with ugly people.” That’s all. It’s free will.

Being in the city, if they’re going to go, it’s right there. They can go. They’ll see it around them all the time — and they’ll say, “Nah.” I think it immunizes them against it. Because it’s an everyday “whatever” thing. I think our eugenic families will be the most interesting thing they know. By far. Our little tribe will be the most interesting thing in the whole city — we’ll have to keep people from coming and gawking at us.

KAS: [laughter] So you have this community. And you’re raising your kids up to value their tribe — their tribe’s beauty, their tribe’s achievements. The parents are high-investment parents who are home all the time —

J: Yes. And maybe have a business on the side, you know —

KAS: Okay. But you also talked to me earlier about how these White children could end up taking over the Deep State from within. In other words, taking over the power structure. Now that’s a really unbelievably ambitious goal. Explain that.

J: This theme has been iterated a few times in real life and in fiction. Orwell’s Animal Farm has a story line in it in which a litter of puppies are born to Bluebell. And as soon as they’re weaned, Napoleon takes them away and trains them to be his own Praetorian Guard. And then, at an opportune moment, he chases out his enemy Snowball — chases him away forever, using the puppies who by now have grown up into attack dogs.

The trend I see in America is the great dumbing down. Idiocracy isn’t 500 years in the future — it’s now. And that is tragic, but it’s also a political opportunity for people who are not Idiocrats to just go in and take over. Because the smart and competent people are dying off — literally dying off. They’re just going to leave it to us. I think they’re just going to give us power voluntarily, just to keep the lights on.

Honestly, that’s how I see it playing out. I don’t see a big violent war or anything. I see them saying, “Take it. We messed it all up. There’s no water to drink. The grid is down.” And the strong men, the hard men, will come in and fix it. And we’ll say, “We’re not taking this sh** anymore. We’re not taking this anti-White bullsh** anymore. That’s over.”

KAS: The idea is to get some power. Right now, pro-Whites have none.

J: The problems in the future are going to be to our advantage.

You know about r/K selection theory, right?

KAS: Yes. Explain it for our listeners in case some of them aren’t familiar with it.

J: Well, “r selection” means you have a lot of offspring, but you don’t really do anything for them. Like an oyster throws out 100,000 eggs all at once. Whereas a gorilla will have one baby gorilla and take care of it for like four years — so that’s extreme “K selection” in animals.

Now with humans, you’ll have bad parents who don’t take care of the kids, and maybe they have lots of kids, and they’re relatively r-selected. And they don’t really care about them. And then you have people who really care about their kids, and put a lot of investment into them, and they’re more K-selected.

The thing is, in this culture today, they’ve made r-selection “cool,” and K-selection “uncool” — and have hugely disadvantaged the K-selected White boys. And that’s the genesis of the 4chan “beta uprising” they talk about. Now the beta males, the K-selected guys who would be good family men, are awakening in political anger, and standing up to fight back.

Really, the K-selected individual is the superior individual. The K-selected animal is the gorilla, the tiger, or the lion: They take care of their young. They try to keep their young alive. For example, I really admire the warthog.

KAS: Really?

J: Yes, the African warthog. They get eaten and eaten and eaten, but they just keep fighting. They just keep having baby pigs and keep surviving on that brutal savanna. The crocs eat them. The lions eat them. The cheetahs eat them. But they fight back! I really admire the warthog spirit.

Also, there’s a great YouTube video, The Battle at Kruger. A juvenile buffalo gets separated from the herd by some lionesses. And they’re chowing down on this juvenile Cape buffalo, but it’s still alive. And eventually the other Cape buffalo come and they push the lions out of the way. They scare the lions away. and juvenile buffalo survives and walks back into the herd — and lives to fight another day.

I really like to watch scenes of survival — where the will to live is strong in the animal kingdom. It’s a source of inspiration to me — the warthog, the Cape buffalo, the gorilla that takes care of its young really well.

So K-selection is our strength. And when our kids — who will be very smart and go to Annapolis and go to West Point and go to the Air Force Academy, and get in the CIA, get in the NSA, and so on — that’s power. And it’s the K-selected people who go on to those places, not the r-selected people.

The biggest thing they did to us was convince us that K-selected wasn’t cool anymore.

KAS: Well, they forced the K-selected people to subsidize the massive birthrates of the others, therefore they had fewer and fewer children and had fewer resources to devote to them.

J: And I’m not hearing the “alt-right” talk about eugenics. But I think eugenics needs to be a big part of the conversation.

So ultimately this idea — of both parents staying home — is also very important. Eugenics is potential, but you also have to cultivate it properly. You could have a very bright child, but born in bad circumstances and that could mess him all up. For example, I could have been a mathematician. When I was in third grade, I could find prime numbers into the tens of thousands. Had I lived in Soviet Russia, or NSDAP Germany, they would have said, “This kid is really good at math,” and they would have taken me out and had me be a mathematician or a rocket scientist or something. But in America, it was just, “Oh, isn’t that funny?” These were the hippies, you know, in the 70s. “Look, isn’t that nice. He’s cute. He can do all those prime numbers. Wow.” And they didn’t do anything about it.

KAS: Well, we’re individualists. We have no tribe, basically.

J: Right. So you subsidize both parents to stay home. They home school the kids, who will have calculus and physics by the time they’re 16. They’ll go on to MIT, Annapolis, West Point, and so on. and they’ll get into the Deep State — and hopefully do stuff that we like. We’re not going to tell them what to do. They’ll have to figure that out on their own. All we can do is give them the best advantage.

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We’ll continue our interview with creative White strategist and activist Jeronimus next week, right here on American Dissident Voices.

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